ARGUMENT:  By voting to leave the ELCA, Holy Trinity is being purist and ignoring the words of Jesus who said “Let the wheat and the weeds grow together until the final harvest” (Mt. The ELCA made an exception and forgave Niles's debt in a September 16 letter, Brooks said. God's grace, mercy and peace to you. Chris, If the LCMC were to finally discard its remaining ELCA baggage, they would have little need to exist, as they would be more like the NALC. See Genesis 4:19-24 for the whole story. Ilhan Omar As God used him to lead you back to trust in Jesus Christ, perhaps He could use you to help lead your pastor to do something. However, WAN was a movement within the ELCA to reform it, and when that didn't happen, LCMC was formed. July 2012 Maybe that's bad, maybe that's good...? The day the ELCA met Lenny Duncan is a tragedy being told in one part. In the meantime my hope is to see new leadership in Chicago one day, to see the ELCA swing back towards the mission of a Christian church, and forgo earthly politics and left-wing social justice issues, time will tell. Monitor what your kids are being taught in youth group. September 2017 But by 2010, Holy Trinity had a serious difference with the ELCA over the authority of Scripture and the holiness of the Name of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Thank you for the update, Curt. When we use the Bible to interpret the Bible (a Lutheran principle) we find in the Old Testament the prophetess Huldah, and we find in the New Testament the husband-and-wife team of Priscilla & Aquila, Philip’s four prophetess daughters, all the named female deacons in the New Testament, and Mary Magdalene, the first witness to Christ’s resurrection. Fax 215.659.8349 Missionaries The largest (at that time) ELCA Lutheran Church in Fargo ND. Queer Theology I like that. February 2010 Pastor Cole was a good friend. July 2013 We joined an Independent Lutheran Church that emphasized the importance of having a personal relationship with Christ Jesus. We cover religious news and social issues, congregational life, global and domestic mission, family matters, … Nalc He told me the church has to keep up with the times. I did too, but since '09 I've tried other area liturgical churches and keep returning to the ELCA church I'm a member of. Now that I moved out of the State, I am seeking a Lutheran church that is not ELCA. RESPONSE: Holy Trinity is not being “purist”. December 2009. Satan First Lutheran. For this reason, the LCA voted to ordain women in 1970. When the ELCA was founded, it was a merger of 3 separate branches. And to be more pragmatic, if I'm struggling with the ELCA partly because of its leftward leanings, why in the world would I be interested in the Catholic church considering some of its teachings? Part of a 7 week course called "Sense and Sensuality" by Rev. April 2015 Virgin Birth May 2014 Tolerance March 2011 I wanted to scream, "what does the Bible say Bishop Anderson about this very subject?" August 2012 Pronouns Long’s congregation, Niles Lutheran Mission, left the ELCA in August, triggering a requirement to repay more than $150,000 the congregation received since 2007. We approved a Strategy Towards Authentic Diversity, a much-needed guide and commitment in the whitest denomination in the US. ELCA on the grounds that "the ELCA has left traditional biblical teaching." 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. February 2018 My question is the same as Michael Cooper's. The Popes have said that Muslims and Jews are also saved. I'm not going to go on an anti-Catholic rant, that's not helpful and I believe in the coming struggle of civilizations we're on all the same side, standing with Jesus Christ. Then how does a Catholic live if she does not agree with everything? The ELCA stuff in Chicago, that stuff is easy to walk away from, it's the local connection that would be truly missed. Mainline Protestant Answers in Genesis. All Bisexual December 2015 November 2016 When the bishop came out to see us, he essentially tap-danced and insisted that the ELCA was the nice, conservative outfit it had always been (with maybe a few extreme rabble-rousers on the fringes), and that I was going 'way overboard in my criticism of it. Synods Southwest California Synod ELCA. January 2015 Have you expressed your concerns to the council? So, if it’s good for homosexual and heterosexual people to be able to enter “publically accountable same-gender” relationships in accordance with their sexual orientation, how can this not also be good for bisexual persons? December 2016 To me, the ELCA is trying to keep up with what secular society believes. As far as I know, nothing was decided. The ELCA actively supports Planned Parenthood: The ELCA is VERY pro-choice. God And the good works which you do would be sinful and tainted on their own; Jesus causes them to be done by you, and He covers them with His Righteousness to make them truly good works. I have been in the LCMS since then, and have learned even more, such that I would not even consider returning to LCMC, much less the ELCA. Thanks again for kind words and prayer, I believe I speak for many in the ELCA who feel lost, even sort of trapped, certainly unrepresented by church leadership. And as to whether or not the saints in Paradise see what is happening on earth, I cannot be sure. Masterpiece Cake Shop February 2017 Columbus Day With wonderful programs for children, youth, and adults alike, there is a place for you to get connected. The Church has made prior accommodations to the culture in addition to the one made at the 2009 Churchwide assembly. Climate Change Media 1517 During the meeting, I cited chapter and verse on why this goes against God’s will and that I was surprised we were even discussing it. My Pastor knows how I feel, and he is sincere when he says that he appreciates the political diversity within our church. I cannot support it any longer. Abington, PA 19001 Salvation Army During the year I was president, I learned a LOT about the nitty-gritty of how a local church really functions, as well as spending even more time with my Pastor, which has only endeared him to me even more. , there are 20-something denominations of Lutherans alone. I can not attend a church that turns away other Christians nor can I attend the ELCA because of their unwillingness to follow true Christian beliefs and God's Law! I don't want to get into too many details, but she has a long-standing family connection to this church, this particular building even, very tough for her to walk away. The Tea Party Reiki They opened doors that the LCMS had closed. Of these losses, over 500,000 members and 1,000 congregations have left the ELCA in just the last four years, triggered by their endorsement of homosexuality beginning in 2009. JD - I have to agree with you on the RCC, and frankly I find the same problem with the Missouri Synod, that you need to be members of THEIR church to partake in the Lords Supper, meaning classes and paperwork for membership. Since I am not Lutheran myself, I am something of an outsider to the situation in the ELCA. What was new in the ELCA’s action at the 2009 Churchwide Assembly was the extension of “publically accountable lifelong monogamous relationships” (whatever they are) to people other than the one male and one female for whom marriage is designed by God, according to Scripture. I too left the ELCA about four years ago because of their leftist liberal political entrenchment. 18257 views; Acts 2:38–What Does it Really Mean? I had to write down what each acronym stood for to keep it straight what you were talking about. August 2020 It's why we left the ELCA for the LCMS. Masturbation We are not trying to uproot (or “weed out” of our community) anyone who does not agree with the majority. If universalism is true, why send out missionaries? Have ELCA congregations accepted this statement? We accomplished a lot in a packed week, and I left feeling mostly grateful for a church committed to growing. Hell Come to the door facing Parkview Avenue. But hook up with like-minded believers in your church, Curt. I stayed there to worship, but knew in my heart and mind ELCA went out of the Word. 7) Some ELCA pastors deny substitutionary atonement and are not disciplined. , same-gender relationships.” The ELCA did this because they are concerned that people with a minority gender orientation might wish to live out their love and gain social recognition of their relationships, a recognition they have been denied historically. Rage Many of the congregations are well known to me. I left because in 2005, after a sustained study process, the ELCA’s General Assembly voted against officially lifting this ban. Brigitte Gabriel. Perhaps he is afraid to make a scene and split up the church. Gospel Of Affirmation Curt, I would encourage you to keep praying and listen for the Holy Spirits calling in your decision. One receives Christ's merits and grace by cooperating with Him in good works, according to the RCC. You are not alone! But, seriously, I, too, sit in a Catholic church every Sunday and look around at the people -- gay, straight; married, divorced; Democrat, Republican... and so on. July 2019 The belief statement of my old church appears orthodox, but what I read in this pastor's sermons online scares me. Unfortunately, LCMC is little more than ELCA-lite. March 2016 Social Justice January 2010 Evangelical Lutheran Church Becomes Branch Of The Radical Left By Pastor Tom Brock/Pastors Study July 06, 2020. We are diminished if any of those who disagree with us leave. Small, but very faithful. December 2011 I don’t know what that means, but I know that, other than what I’m about to describe to you, I have little to no interest further in the ELCA and it’s goings-on. Bds Thrivent Would I say that a homosexual or transgender can't come to my church if they believe in Jesus and want to repent (that is if they understand their life decisions is a reason for the same repentance of sin) I have no problem sharing my pew and my table with them. Thank you. Standing Rock I couldn’t join an ELCA church, being confused by their shifting sand doctrine. If so, why am I so afraid to identify myself? This has always seemed restrictive to me, why in the world would you want to deny a fellow Christian the opportunity to partake in the Lords Supper? Should I leave the ELCA? October 2020 Blasphemy The congregation had a recent meeting on whether to perform a gay marriage, if it were asked to. June 2010 Gay Marriage Judge Kavanaugh January 2016 On June 6 and September 12, 2010 Holy Trinity voted (by the required 2/3 majority each time) to leave the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and affiliate with the North American Lutheran Church. August 2010 We are not being “schismatic”; we are simply voting to join another denomination. November 2018 At my old ELCA church, my last new pastor had subtle implications of open theism, non-Trinitarianism and acceptance of same-sex unions. August 2017 WHY I LEFT THE ELCA I'll never forget the day. I believe it was the Holy Spirit leading me as I wasn't a dogmatic believer let alone one who considered my faith very seriously. Why would she need a Savior? There will be a time to leave this church if it stays within the ELCA, I realize that. Creation We must truly seek the Lord, with all our heart, soul, and mind. Kathy, Jesus did it all for you too. Isn’t bisexuality a gender? Lift PRAY P rayer is a mark of discipleship; the first of the seven disciplines highlighted in the ELCA-wide Call to Discipleship: Prayer is the way a disciple enjoys an intimate rela-tionship with God. I want to compliment the discussion here,it makes me think of Paul's command in Ephesians 4: 1-5 "As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Operation Christmas Child When we use the Bible to interpret the Bible, we clearly see the Lord using women as “bearers of His Word” throughout Scripture. October 2019 Theologians who have served Lutheranism for many years in various capacities have recently left the ELCA and have entered the Roman Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church in America. I was raised in the Lutheran church - ELCA to be exact. Substitutionary Atonement October 2015 Right now if our Pastor were to leave, that'd probably be it for us here, but we LOVE this man, our kids babysit his young ones even. We are diminished if any of those who disagree with us leave. Along with my wife and I, just one couple left. But our issue with the ELCA is not the discourtesy with which we have been treated; our issue with the ELCA is the authority of Scripture and the holiness of the Name of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Cross Dressing Pat Robertson May 2013 November 2013 November 2014 If you need a clear, easy-to-read, simple explanation of what I have just tried to say, you can find it in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus revoked his statement? October 2010 February 2014 Open theism, right there! We have all of us, divorced or not, failed to be what we would have wanted to be in any of our relationships. The RCC's practice of praying to the saints seems to be idolatry to me. Our young Pastor (32) is a God fearing preacher who is telling us what the Bible says and our small church here in Mount Dora, FL is no longer a “small” church! ELCA "scholar-theologians" thinking they know better than the consensus patruum or phrosyne patron, decided that the "spiritual" meaning of Scripture trumps an y "literal" meaning. April 2012 I knew I made the right decision when Bishop H. George Anderson was asked on a radio interview about allowing homosexual clergy, and he punted and said the church needed to wait for the Study of Sexuality to be complete before he could answer. The Bible is very critical of Lamech, who introduced polygamy. When Jaroslav Pelikan left the ELCA and became a member of the OCA, I felt it was not terribly surprising. So how can a move to accept same-gender relationships, limit these relationships to merely two people? -- I know that is futile. Whether you’ve attended church your whole life, or never stepped foot in a church even once, Holy Trinity is a safe place to bring your doubts, questions and curiosity, regardless of your beliefs or background. Samaritan's Purse I have not left the church - the church left me. Two summers ago, 31,000 ELCA teenagers attended the ELCA’s youth gathering. What follows is a series of arguments against leaving the ELCA; each argument is paired with a response. July 2020 Marcus Borg Actually Curt, there are way fewer Lutheran church branches now then there were earlier in the 1900's. (He would bring seventy times the vengeance God threatened to bring on anyone who hurt Cain.) Guns Quite literally, we were told our objections merely parroted right wing talking heads in the editorial section of their national periodical. It was a tough decision. Presiding Bishop Herbert Chilstrom Feminist Theology May 2019 Had I been a member of the ELCA, I would have left long ago. A Pastors Thoughts September 2013 My main issue is with pretty much all Catholic churches, only those that have taken the classes and converted to the Catholic Church can partake in the Holy Sacrament! If Mary was born without sin, how could Jesus be tempted? RESPONSE: The Bible does NOT say that polygamy is OK. Some have already left. Lutheran Immigration And Refugee Sevice Trump Unity According to Jesus, the command to love is the summary of the. 8) The ELCA ordains practicing homosexuals as pastors. June 2019 I have read many opinions as to why it makes sense to stay the course in the ELCA and try to make a difference. This will direct your funds to your congregation, and it will alert others that you oppose ELCA leadership. Since the controversial vote in August, ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson has urged congregations not to make any hasty moves and to instead engage in conversation. Sorry for this late post on a similar situation. 2. Cursing Sadly, this is not the case. It is where I met and married my wife. In addition to making the cultural accommodation of “publically accountable lifelong monogamous same-gender relationships”, the church has made cultural accommodation in its decisions to let divorced people be pastors and to ordain women. The ELCA says so. And what is bisexuality but the sexual love of both males and females? Also, I, like many other people, do not know what the problem is with an ordained female leading service or for that matter, taking part in any other parts of the church. The Finger The office is open from 8:30 a.m. – 3:30 p.m. (Mon-Thurs). July 2010 Resurrection September 2010 That was over ten years ago. I will definitely pray for you. But neither response was “cultural accommodation”. I left the ELCA in 1992. Get Driving Directions. Recently, however, another page has been of great interest—the list of congregations that voted to leave the ELCA. December 2013 Overpopulation You are terminated. That’s how much the ELCA wants to hear the voices of any who disagree. Dallas Theological Seminary (DTS) See More triangle-down; Pages Other Brand Website News & Media Website Exposing the ELCA. This is a question that many congregations and members in North America’s largest Lutheran church body are beginning to ask. But my family knows they are saved only by grace through faith in the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. ICE Hold that thought. We haven’t left yet, we are only discerning the will of the congregation. Evolution And so the Church is not being culturally accommodating when it says that divorced people can be pastors; it is being Christian. By voting to leave the ELCA, Holy Trinity is being purist & ignoring the words of Jesus, who said in John 14 that in His Father’s House there are many rooms. But what we are trying to do is follow the words of Jesus (in Mt 10:14): “If any town will not receive your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake the dust from your feet.”. Advocacy Silencing Free Speech In the end it's all in Gods hands, I do listen, I pay attention to promptings, and my wife and I discuss these things, it's not just in my heart, it's in hers as well I think. “I spent many years as a pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America until I led my congregation out for a more Biblical branch of Lutheranism,” Pastor Tom Brock, who co-hosts “The Pastor’s Study” radio program, recently wrote in an op-ed for The Christian Post. But what we are trying to do is follow the words of Jesus (in Mt 10:14):  “If any town will not receive your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake the dust from your feet.”  We are not kicking anyone out; we are just trying to leave ourselves. Black-lives-matter May 2018 -- Does this make sense? In fact, once you take marriage away from its God-given pattern of one man and one woman, isn’t it haphazard and curmudgeonly to say “only two” to a bed. Nevertheless, Why I Left the Lutheran Church 27876 views; Living for the Lord in a Wicked World 26152 views; Set Your Priorities for God! In fact, we need the voices of the traditionalists as well as the progressives. Franklin Graham WHY I LEFT THE ELCA I'll never forget the day. Many pastors and members have left the denomination due to their objections to its theology. Church Leaves Elca December 2014 As of 2018, it has approximately 3.4 million baptized members in 9,091 congregations.. EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH IN AMERICA A four-session small group study for growing in our relationship with God . Evangelical Lutheran Church Becomes Branch Of The Radical Left By Pastor Tom Brock/Pastors Study July 06, 2020. Practice of praying to the ELCA led them to find open minded who! 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